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This should be a place for asking questions, getting answers and maybe suggesting new things. With public pressure I guess they earlier see a need to react. They have "chimed in" for smaller reasons.
To be honest, I really appreciated your early recommandation to write a letter. Thank you! I would also say the a grouped letter would be more efficient. About "noise", i, and some of us here, think differently. Sometimes noise is necessary. And i think it is written in european D.
A in some ways. One can easily unsubscribe if one don't want to hear it anymore. And just a curiosity : are you using Runtime feature or not? I think this topic is showing that our community is broken in two "equal" parts : whose are building runtime solution and others. Some of the latters applause FMI decision and probable deletion of its "second class" application. First are shocked. I'm sure several have been presented here.
Sorry Beverly, but i didn't see any that meet my needs. The developer's freedom to create Desktop standalone apps cannot be replaced by FM Go nor Webdirect, where even the preview mode is missing.
I really try to be positive here but, trust me or not, it is a real chalenge! If some here are offended by talking about facts, I excuse myself.
But reality stays reality. Only one guy had a distortion field, FMI has not. I know what ranting customers are - had one just this morning on the telephone. But he was really ranting, claiming that some information was missing on our website. He can read, he is not dumb and we are tricky cheaters.
That is ranting for real - nothing I do. I am sure for many developers, the alternatives, at least those we are so far aware of, are not satisfactory. A particular issue which I don't think has been mentioned so far is the fact that plugins cannot be included in Go or WebDirect at least not in this context. I expect for many solutions, excluding plugins would represent a serious 'downgrade' as far as the end-users are concerned. OK, so the alternatives don't work for you. It sounds like 'runtime' and only 'runtime' will work.
Looks like "yes", unless we can really discuss another bright new future. I would suggest the people who are most affected to create a petition to be forwarded to FMI with the outcome.
C Keept Runtime for at least 2 more versions until the rest of the technology catches up. Post your link here and the interested parties can cast their vote and send the results to FMI. A comment on the plugins by the way. Ok, plugins have been developed for some time now using C but take a look at what's out there, most of the development work is done for browsers with HTML5, PHP, etc.
I have pulled little genies out the bottle using HTML into web viewers for the WebDirect and I would be a very strong advocate if FMI provides a better alternative to add your custom code this way going forward rather than using Plugins the current way. This is a useful argument and I appreciate all the issues, so we may see if there are alternatives not previously discussed.
Sorry, that was someone else in the thread. Didn't mean to pin you down specifically on that. I've been developing databases professionally for 30 years, so I've seen a few come and go. I've seen plenty of good apps come and go too. The most common cause has been too little or no revenue stream. The market takes up what it will easily absorb then cost of sales overtakes revenue. End of game. Had Apple not been pouring resources into FM it would have died from lack of revenue a long time ago.
Let's face it, what percentage of the market place buys or even contemplates buying a database dev tool? Successful business to business relies on both parties making a buck, so if my FM app is generating revenue for me then it stands to reason that File Maker should get their slice, after all it's their engine.
I want to pay FM money for each and every seat. I want a partnership with File Maker. If they make money then I do. However, I find the current licensing unwieldy, to say the least. If I did not know better I would think the File Maker had a vast warehouse stacked with boxes that had to be moved.
I have a problem with a user needing to run a very fat client, not to mention no rental option for less than 5 users. I still find it extremely difficult to believe that FM would simply hack off it's developer's small app base.
I have only been using FM for four years, but I can see they are no fools. I suspect there will be a new and not free vehicle for small app distribution and I am not surprised that there is no mention of it in the general press. Perhaps those in the Alliance know something, but that's a closed shop and for good reason.
I want real RTS and I'm more than happy to pay for it FileMaker Inc. Apple bought Claris Corporation, where the FileMaker product was one of many products, in mid-end of the '90's. That is how FileMaker Inc. I don't think Apple has put in a single penny to FileMaker Inc. It is more the other way around. Yes, but in a very limited extend. But I definitely like the idea of being able to use runtimes for several purposes.
Just happend that we have been busy with may other things. I have never said that I do not understand that such a statement is worrying for companies, that have this option as a key to their business model. In my first post I actually came with a couple of suggestions to possibly alternatives. I even wrote Dominique to pay attention to this thread, as I think some companies will have some real concerns and needs to plan for their future, if they rely their business on runtimes.
I also gave a couple of ideas to him as well. However, talk nice and be constructive if you want to move forward and try to make things happen.
Just the same with your wife I was told that by a senior FM employee, and I can't see how they can make a dollar without app royalties. However, you and I will never see the FM specific balance sheets. But to get some more customers, small 'apps' are needed - runtimes among others.
If somebody has a small banking tool that shows everytime when quitting the FMI logo, he or she will know FileMaker.. I had to laugh. Since you posted several times after this one.
Thank you for the giggle. Other 'alternatives' mentioned also included other products. Take some time to learn some of the other products. Try replicating one of your simplest files in, lets say, Xojo. Free to develop and test. Come back and talk about FileMaker after you have completed a compiled app that replicates all of the functionality of one of your simpler solutions. This is intended just a moment of perspective, its not intended to be aggressive.
I just want you to stop and consider what options you are looking at. My guess is that it will take you 6 months to a year to redevelop your app. If you finish it and get all the bugs out, you will have a great alternative to create compiled apps. If you don't, you will have a whole new appreciation for FileMaker. As I said, I was told by someone that should know. It may have been nonsense, but I took it at face value I have no intention of trying to defend hearsay, so, for that sake of this thread I will accept yours and Claus's views of File Maker's profitability.
But I don't really care if Apple propped up FM or not. That's history and means nothing in the current context. That's not the point I was trying to get across. What I wanted to stress is that royalty free does not work, unless File Maker will and should charge where ever they can. Remember Clipper, Dbase, Superbase, Access? All free or minimal RTS.
I will not purchase the new Filemaker if the runtime option is removed. I am a developer of simple cheap solutions and would not make a living, if the end user had to purchase Filemaker as well as the solution. Sorry - I probably wasn't very clear. There are clearly many alternatives beyond FileMaker, albeit relatively impractical. What wouldn't be feasible would be to have one FileMaker solution for networked solutions etc.
Remember that 'deprecated' does not equate to 'removed'. It's just an alert that it may be removed in future versions. We do not know the future, but it's good that we can discuss options here now before runtime is no longer available. Josh, as Xojo developer, I think your assessment is accurate. Xojo is amazing, but you do have to do more work to get what you get in FileMaker. It's an investment though. Once you go through all that, you can release your apps without any never ending lease payments to FileMaker.
Over the years, I've built up a very strong library of FileMaker 'stuff' that I can reuse over and over to make our development faster like modules, FMClips, FMSnippets, custom functions, and such.
I'm doing the same in Xojo. I'm creating those modules and tools that I can reuse. It's a big investment, but in the end I'll have code that I can reuse over and over and sell solutions to folks without the burden of having to pay FileMaker every time a client buys my app. You are talking about compiled apps.
As opposed to custom development. I would guess that custom development isn't a reality in Xojo, correct? Even if your needs are maybe different of some of us, you were really and always open mind. The Community is fortunate to having you as a fellow member. Even it is not so visible, i try contribute as well as i can. Am not in the secret of FMI plans and do not personally know Dominique. However, my best wish is for the end of the free Runtime can be simultaneous of a brand new FileMaker AppBuilder that give us opportunity to create first class apps, simply using our FileMaker skill, and also remunerate FileMaker for each seat we deploy, as it always should be.
That's precisely the case you need to make to FMI. What intex fails to see is that there is difference between stating some arguments and making your case. If you have numbers to back your claim that runtimes should be kept around, then sit down with FMI and present your case.
Those numbers are private to you and your business so they do not belong in this public forum. Like any other feature you can only lobby effectively if you back it up by numbers. Ultimately FMI is going to decide whether it is worth their money to keep engineers working on runtimes. Intex of course will chime in and say: "I don't want to lobby, I'm a customer and I deserve to be heard".
To that I will answer: you are getting heard, but you are not making your case. I sincerely thank you to give all this attention to my humble case. Following yours and Carl's advice, i will write a letter since i think actually dont' have access to the appropriate people at FMI maybe, why not, directly to Dominique, and expose my case, the numbers, and suggesting what a royalty system could be profitable to all of us.
However, as you know, a given number cannot be seen the same by a company as Soliant or FileMaker, than my self-made 3 persons company. But yes, definitely, i will try this way and we will see. The most important is to try isn't it? My suggestion is that you all formulate your business case in a good logical letter and send them to Dominique and your sales representatives.
The folks at FMI do listen, but as a division of Apple and a public company, I would expect not to hear anything until maybe Devcon. My experience is that they simply will not and can not react to such things in a knee-jerk reaction. I may have posted on this thread previously but shortly after decided that the best route would be to actually speak with somebody at FileMaker who knows what we do, how we do it and the relevant numbers to voice my concerns in a constructive manner.
I have made the mistake and it was a mistake of letting my feelings get the better of me and pretty much writing entire page rants in the past I know some of you in here had the pleasure of reading one of those around 12ets time.
In the acting work environment, a person may use this software efficiently to look after the purchase asks, price documents along with the product catalogs. It supplies we a range that is filled with themes on it your newcomer clients, along with the company experts, can utilize with equal ease.
You will quickly get a structure within this app and reposition its aspects then, remold things, include pics and adjust the written text place titles. I owe a lot to FMI for the Runtime. Please let us know if you continue to have this issue with the corrected version of the ARD.
All postings and use of the content on this site are subject to the Claris Community Use Agreement. Search Loading. Register Login. Databases are not something I do for a living. I rarely change my booking database as the information that I need never really changes. Not for me for something I use once every three or four years I hate subscription based software but most companies seem to be going that way.
Thanks to Tom for creating the runtime for me and thanks everybody who contributed to this thread. As far as pricing, FileMaker does offer individual licensing. It's a one-time fee, not a subscription. Plus, you can most likely find an individual license for less from one of the many FBA members. Pretty sure you can download the free trial of FileMaker Pro Advanced 17 and use that to create your runtime. FileMaker Pro is a low-code tool with pro-code power.
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It was a simple end of day process to pre-process the AP Edit listings to meaningful data. The run-time lead to me purchasing to licenses. In my current situation, I develop a run-time for me to use for a some tasks, supplemental to the accounting software. It demonstrated to the Accounting Manager, that I should have a the full program in the Office. The next year we purchased two FMP15 Advanced.
Peer-to-Peer networking worked, until we outgrew it. This year, now that FileMaker has shown to be a great tool to complement the accounting software, we have gone with FMS17 and five licenses.
FileMaker use to market from small to large. That is not what they want, the large only. A thin-desktop client was the topic of wish-lists, to complement the thin-client of iOS iPhone or iPad. Then WebDirect was more fully developed and seemed to be a possible thin-desktop client. But the marketing strategy is making that price prohibited. I had hopes of taking apps I had developed over the years to make them commercial products.
But I can see I will have to develop on a different platform, because my target audience is the one or two years per site.
I shared my customer perception, as seen from V3 to V With FMP17, there is not basic program I want to sell a single user my product; there is only Advanced.
Whether it is turned on or not, if factor single license or even two licenses to my product, it is for Advanced whether that customer will use FileMaker for more than my application.
THAT is pricing to discourage the small customer. This is not true. None of these facts make them "want to be Oracle" or makes their platform expensive relative to the competition. Yes peer to peer runtime etc.. At one time it was suited for creating solutions for indivdiuals but they have moved on and the writing has been on the wall about this for some time. It's business class sofware and really always has been they have just been alinging their pricing and policies over the past few years to reflect that.
I respect that this change will leave some people behind but it's the right business decision for them just as it may be the right business decision for the runtime and peer to peer crowd to find a more suitable platform for their products that caters to that audience. There are a LOT more tools available today then when FileMaker came out with run times and peer to peer almost 30 years ago so they should be fine in the long run. While it's truly more server-centric, as far as I know "peer-to-peer" is still available:.
Six concurrent users on a match still seems adequate to get a foothold. I keep wishing that FileMaker Go would support "Peer-to-peer sharing", not just with a desktop, but with other iOS devices. Imagine the countless uses of being able to share data directly from one FileMaker Go devices to another—without a server or even wi-fi. Of course, if they want FileMaker Go to be the life of the party, FileMaker Go would have to go to allowing 9 concurrent connections to qualify for most party games.
Anyway, if you want something to be viral, then it should be something small, shareable, and easy to contract—like a virus. With FMP12 what also dropped was the functionality of the desktop version to share via a browser. With V12, only FMS can be accessed with a browser. My supposition is that the longer strategy of FileMaker Pro is driven by the parent company for sales of iPhones and iPads. There is NO charge for the client software for these devices.
All of the emails that come to me, are targeting development on an iOS device. I have considered developing my product for an iPad. And may still do that. The cost to my "customer" would be my price and his purchase of an iPad. I am waiting to see if the iOS client being required to use databases on a server only.
It is, according to all of their blurb yes. I find that quite funny actually. I would consider that as misrepresenting their product. So, here I am, an SBA member who sells and maintains thousands of FileMaker Pro licences and makes use of peer to peer networking, suddenly, without any real notice its not deprecated unable to actually provide those to my customer.
Not because of the feature itself. Would you buy a product for use within a business which pops up and says " Fine, the connection is not encrypted, not that there is a way to resolve that without buying server And believe me, I have tried to convince the powers that be that 'such wording was not necessary, simply leaving it as "the connection is not encrypted" was sufficient, but to no avail.
It would seem that iOS is the platform for single user use moving forward and not the desktop which may be an option for some developers of runtime or peer to peer but I suspect not all.
For desktop users they are clearly pushing FMS and a 5 user minimum which I can understand. Peer to Peer Sharing - ideas so its not just for "testing purposes only". Yes, it's transparently hypocritical that FileMaker for iOS and computers do not share as much of the same strategy as possible. Sadly, that was a last attempt after about a year of attempting to get to speak to somebody who knew anything about the product and almost begging to be able to continue to purchase licences from them.
I can't see it going anywhere or being considered, its already been completely shot down, even though I was only referring to the "testing purposes only" part of the message and not the "not encrypted" part. Certainly their mobile strategy with Go is to sell as many Apple devices as possible and who could blame them but their overall sales are much larger I believe on Windows desktops than on any Apple products but the profit margin on an iOS device is much larger than single license of FM.
FMI has a large and diverse user population to satisfy and unfortunatley that means not everyone will benefit from their business decsions about the platform and where they are headed. Hey, FMI, "You're advancing the wrong way! Retreat backwards! We need to quit retreating from peer-to-peer sharing and start advancing in the opposite direction.
I agree with you that FileMaker needs to make application deployment available via a standalone runtime. Back in FM Pro 12 I used to deploy single user apps that way. Right now I have a need to do that for a database of archived data that only one person in the company needs to use. FileMaker's licensing has gotten more onerous over that last few years and is pushing me to consider moving development away from FileMaker.
At some point I will start all new development on a different platform and begin migration of our mission critical database away from FileMaker. With 50 users the cost has now gotten out of hand. When I could just use concurrent users I could make this work. But under the new license schemes the cost is way out of line. I can't comment on your solution but I think most people are getting at least 36 cents a day less if you sign a multi year contract worth of value per person out of the platform.
What's more "in line" 20 cents a day per user? I admit I am not aware what other platforms cost but that doesn't seem that out of line given what FM is capable of versus other platforms.
That includes unlimited concurrent users. The remainder are running FMPro versions 13 or Beyond FM Pro 14 you are not allowed to deploy on a shared server and the licensing has changed for concurrent users. First FileMaker went to concurrent users which maybe works because all employees are not logged in at the same time and now FileMaker is on a unique user model which requires a license for every employee whether logged in to the server or not.
I either have to stay back level on a shared server or go to a dedicated server. This does not count moving users to new client hardware in order to run the latest level of FMGO or upgrade costs to move users from FMPro 13 and 14 to clients that can use FM Server I may be stuck with FileMaker over the short term, but as they deprecate the clients supported and as they no longer support cost effective shared servers it makes it difficult for my clients to accept the value proposition.
Just to be clear: FMI offers two licensing models: 'user' and 'concurrent'. So the concurrency model is still very much alive.
And if you have more than 25 users to license either way, it's worth having a chat with an FMI sales rep about a site license. We can't really comment on the value proposition of your solution obviously, not knowing what it does, what value it brings and how much you charge. We only know the cost-side of the equation. But you are correct: the value proposition is the decider to go with a for-pay platform as the foundation of your solutions or not.
We have a site license with maintenance for well over 50 users. We just renewed our annual maintenance for 3 years. Because each user license includes the the whole platform excluding FileMaker Cloud there is only the hardware side to deal with.
So there was great value proposition there. Talk to a sales rep. See what they can do. With all due respect to you and everyone else that took advantage of shared hosting this service was a legal loophole exploited by third party cloud providers it was never a deployment method promoted, endorsed, or condoned by FileMaker. The minute this option became available I'm sure FMI was looking for ways to shut it down since it was costing them thousands of lost revenue and this should have been obivous to anyone who took advatage of this service.
Those who did should feel lucky they got away with it for so long. FMS is not a multi tenant solution to be shared by muliple entiities concurrently it never has been and never will be. Since they can't use their technology to stop it they had to use legal means to do so. I am sorry you feel the value proposition is not there but the hard cost license cost not hosting which can be all over the place based on your own situation starts at 50 cents a day per user and goes down from there.
Given the value of the technology iteself for custom solutions and the benefits of the platform this community, dev con, certification etc.. I fail to see how FM doesn't delilver value many times more than it's cost. There are many reasons to leave FM I am helping two customers do that now to enterprise ERP systems at 50X the cost but I honestly fail to see how cost would be one of them.
With all due respect, that is incorrect, not completely though, since it is only available under specific circumstances. FileMaker do or did before 17 at least offer, allow and condone shared hosting for multiple end users, but only as part of their SBA program with a single solution.
This was offered to me when I brought up peer to peer networking in a discussion with somebody quite high up at FileMaker, although I don't actually know the correct title he holds. However, in my case, they did not take into account just how many 'clients' that would be, as such it was unsuitable. If Bundle Redistributor engages in Solution Bundle Hosting as described in this section then Bundle Redistributor is not required to purchase a separate license for each customer.
Solution Bundle Hosting is where Bundle Redistributor has developed and manages a single solution and is offering that same solution to multiple customers.
This, of course, may be good news for lots of Developers who are unaware of what the SBA program has to offer. Edit: Also, just want to put this out there, that my reasoning for leaving the platform doesn't really have anything to do with costs.
Cost has never been a major factor. Thank you for this clarification which illustrates it was only allowed under specific legal terms in veritcal markets and not for third party cloud hosting to muliple clients at once which was my point. This of course is never mentioned on their website clearly or has ever really been promoted as a reason to adopt the platform in order to use it as a shared hosting platform apart from a single product you may be selling for that specific purpose.
Probably way off topic by now, but does anyone suppose that a product that is sold to , separate customers at. Or would FileMaker not get the respect and customers it's looking for if they didn't charge more?
Of course, you have to do more than break even when selling to more customers because of the support overhead. If the solution were wildly successful, scaling would be accomplished by adding a second server and FM licensing to support it. Define "wildly". There's a definite upper limit to the number of concurrent users you can serve. If the operation will not grow beyond those, and you are ok with the browser support then: yes, provided the cost numbers work out.
The licensing cost should be easy enough to calculate for different scenarios. So is the hardware cost. What other technology skills are available to you?
What if the success outgrows the technical and practical limitations of WebDirect? What would the plan be? Either way, WebDirect is going to be an ideal proof-of-concept and prototyping environment.
And it can be permanent or you outgrow it and plan for a different deployment while the WebDirect solution is being used. This is a case where you need to talk to a FileMaker, Inc. As far as I know the Solution Bundle Agreement SBA , and some other options, like concurrent connections, are not available through the online store. If it does then becoming an FBA member is only a small step and won't add much to the cost.
Certainly worth the benefits. What is the technically equivalent replacement for Runtime that FMI recommends? A detailed migration guide would be a good thing. FMI does not care about Runtime's users needs. They are not interested in supporting a technology that doesn't make them any money and they are not looking to monetize it.
The migration guide is one line long. They are giving Runtime users a very long lead time by slowing killing it on the depreciated list to either transition to paid versions of FM to replace it or allow you to move your RT solution to a different platform 4D comes to mind for desktop solutions. That's all there is to it. Runtimes have one major advantage over FMPA, branding.
My clients have no issues with paying for licenses. They want Custom Branding.
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